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Akitian Civil War
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(12-29-2016, 11:09 PM)Zabuza825 Wrote:
(12-29-2016, 08:29 AM)Alvino Castillon Wrote: Okay. I have a huge issue with this.

I really strongly oppose this. Carpathia can not go around playing the big hero logistically and diplomatically.

Logistically speaking, Carpathia is really really far away. Like, does not have any bases nearby and really has no pot to piss in being so far away. Organizing an invasion on the magnitude that is being suggested is not only batshit insane (as once again, no bases nearby) it is downright suicidal. The time it will take for this amphibious invasion to get there will have a serious detrimental effect on morale and battle readiness. And yes, I said amphibious. Because the fascists have a damned military, remember? So it'll be really difficult for an invasion to succeed under such circumstances.

But okay, let's just assume that logistically speaking, Carpathia somehow against all odds succeeds in what is essentially a suicide mission for the bulk of Carpathia's military force. It'd be all great and sunshine and rainbows, right?

Diplomatically, no. Kazemura would literally murder Carpathia, assuming Sainam and the rest of Ostara doesn't do so first. I am 100% certain that in addition, Carpathia would cement the mindset that it is a warmonger on a global scale that would happily invade any nation under the justifications of human rights violations. Oh and by the way, that justification falls flat if the Royal Family of Akitsu doesn't say "Yeah sure, go ahead" which is what Carpathia needs to do before anything else. Basically, if you want to claim the good guy role, speak to the Royal Family before you go invading (according to Zab). If not, then Carpathia can't claim that hero role and should be treated as a hostile force.

As a note, if that invasion does happen and the Royal Family of Akitsu didn't give their blessing, Kazemura will treat Carpathian forces as enemy combatants. Plain and simple.

Well, first of all from what I understand Carpathia's justification is NOT human rights violations and while that IS a factor in it, it's not the main reason. Their main justification would be this treaty (link) that Carpathia signed. This treaty doesn't mandate the use of force before biological weapons are used in an armed conflict, but it does mandate military action against those that use biological weapons are used (see Subsection IV/III)

My apologies. Although arguably that's an even more flimsy excuse then, as that treaty does not have the signatures of almost everyone involved in this conflict. Although Kazemura agrees with the concept in theory, that is not a valid casus belli to invade half way across the world without any negotiation with local powers.

Edit: So, Lines just told me we do have some international accords that prohibits making chemical and biological weapons for non-peaceful purposes and that reasonably speaking, every not-crazy state probably signed it. Still, he also said it's not really grounds for an invasion.

Quote:Secondly, his plan isn't to immediately go for an amphibious invasion.

Oh? That's actually interesting... what's his plan the-

Quote:It's first to use cruise missiles to bomb the living shit out of the fascists (which will result in an ungodly amount of civilian casualties if he's not careful) and then do an invasion, which doesn't help much logistically but it would weaken the hell out of the fascist military.

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Do I even need to explain how terrible an idea this is? No? Cool. And by the way, if the fascists are prepping to unleash bioweapons upon their own people... I have little confidence they won't use the civilians as meat shields.

Quote:As for the Royal Family giving the go-ahead to Carpathia, that'll be unlikely to happen without serious concessions from the Carpathian side (for example, military intervention is fine but no invasion amphibious or otherwise) considering that Kazemura and Sainam (and, depending on what happens, possibly Singan) will also already be involved.

As a possible corollary, I advise that any such intervention that seeks the Royal Family's blessing should be properly coordinated with Kazemura, Sainam, and the Royal Family itself (Singan said they'll help patrols and aid. No boots though) as we're throwing the bulk of our weight into all of this and have the most to literally lose for this war. Especially Sainam.
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Messages In This Thread
Akitian Civil War - by Zabuza825 - 12-27-2016, 06:28 AM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Severyane - 12-27-2016, 08:44 AM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Soyabarian Empire - 12-27-2016, 03:54 PM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Ayzek - 12-27-2016, 04:12 PM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Soyabarian Empire - 12-27-2016, 05:09 PM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Zabuza825 - 12-27-2016, 10:21 PM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Ayzek - 12-28-2016, 03:59 AM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Soyabarian Empire - 12-28-2016, 11:16 AM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Zabuza825 - 12-28-2016, 04:06 AM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Ayzek - 12-28-2016, 04:10 AM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Alvino Castillon - 12-28-2016, 04:16 AM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Blacaria - 12-28-2016, 11:42 AM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Rommy - 12-28-2016, 03:38 PM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Soyabarian Empire - 12-28-2016, 03:46 PM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Jamzor the Jaxxor - 12-28-2016, 10:33 PM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Aerandariel - 12-29-2016, 05:48 AM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Zabuza825 - 12-29-2016, 06:42 AM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Severyane - 12-29-2016, 08:20 AM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Alvino Castillon - 12-29-2016, 08:29 AM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Zabuza825 - 12-29-2016, 11:09 PM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Alvino Castillon - 12-29-2016, 11:21 PM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by BrumBrum - 01-06-2017, 04:25 AM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Aerandariel - 01-06-2017, 04:38 AM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Soyabarian Empire - 01-06-2017, 06:56 AM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Alvino Castillon - 01-07-2017, 02:23 AM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Ayzek - 01-07-2017, 07:52 AM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Alvino Castillon - 01-07-2017, 04:39 PM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Zabuza825 - 01-10-2017, 02:17 PM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Zabuza825 - 02-01-2017, 10:38 PM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Zabuza825 - 05-01-2017, 11:04 AM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Arkiania - 05-03-2017, 06:31 PM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Jamzor the Jaxxor - 05-03-2017, 07:23 PM
RE: Akitian Civil War - by Ceausescu - 05-05-2017, 07:47 PM

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